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Starting again - ideas for fish
#1
Hi All,

You may have seen my previous post.  If not, i have a 220l Tropical tank with rather a lot of large fish which I am going to rehome asap.  This will leave me with 1 stebai cory, one green catfish cory, (possibly 1 yellow BNP - although shes very sick atm!) & 3 neon tetra.  I am also working on rehoming my sons silver shark as told hes too big for tank also, but may be a while before i can convince son he needs to go as hes very loved & hes already gutted to loose everyone else - might be a bit much (son is autistic so not a simple do as you are told!)  Hes had these fish since he was 1 so they are very important.

So my question is, if you were starting again, what fish & plants would you put in a 220l tank with these tankmates?  The tank has a Eheim external filter with 1250lph flow rate, low watt lED lights (i could upgrade but not until after xmas!), Black sand.

I would like live plants but not sure about CO2 devices so would rather keep it simple.  |Currently have algae issues that I never had with planted tank.

I got it really wrong 1st time round, bought fish on a whim and ended up with a lot of disasters! particularly the spotted silver dollars I had that eat my entire tank of beautiful plants in less than a week!  - would love some small colourful & fun fish additions.  Would need to be quite readily available as I only have  amaidenhead aquatics & a very small LFS.  I believe my LFS will order fish if I ask but not sure i will have a great deal of choice?

Also help on how many to introduce & any order would be great.  I have a small 50l cube tank I can & will quarentine in this time!

Thanks everyone x
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Hello and welcome to the site, I have read your other post and sorry to hear of your problems.
Sorry if I missed it but do you know what your water hardness is ? Just guides on what sort of fish you can have. With a 220l you will have lots of choice depending on what size they grow too and if they are peaceful or aggressive fish.
Have you any thoughts yourself ?
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Bronze, Peppered  & Albino Cory, Black Widows, Cherry Barbs, Green Tiger Barb (rescues), Amanos.
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Bronze Corys.
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(12-10-2019, 05:52 PM)Sturgcl1 Wrote: [Image: QSTKiFHl.png]

Yes water hardness & PH is a big issue here!  stats attached - very soft water as you can see! great for preventing limescale in kettle - not so goot for fishkeeping I guess?
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(12-10-2019, 05:49 PM)Annie Wrote: Hello and welcome to the site, I have read your other post and sorry to hear of your problems.
Sorry if I missed it but do you know what your water hardness is ? Just guides on what sort of fish you can have. With a 220l you will have lots of choice depending on what size they grow too and if they are peaceful or aggressive fish.
Have you any thoughts yourself ?

Not really sure to be honest, would like some colour.  I did like having the Guppys, was exciting to see youngsters, also adored my Kribs as they were great characters.  Having said that I really liked having the big shrimp I had before my yoyo eat him! Sad   I cant remember what he was but he had filters on his front legs and was about an inch in size, loved watching him sift the water.  Really would like something interesting to watch!

I adore saltwater tanks find them so amazing to watch, with all the shrimps and anemonies, but i dont have the time, money or expertise for salties!

I did think about going for a cichlid tank one day, but I cant get rid of the current inhabitants so maybe one day in the distant future!
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As I said on the other thread the test strips are unreliable. Find your water companies website, most of them allow you to do a town or postcode search to find out the water hardness and other parameters for your area. If it all seems gobbledegook then post up here and we'll decode it for you. Or if youre happy to post what town you live in we can look it up on your behalf.

If it turns out the fish you already have are ok for your water then I would up their numbers (6+ for cory and tetra) but you may well have a problem with small fish due to the shark. Either bullying, scaring or eating.

There are plenty of plants that are easy to care for and don't need specialist lighting or CO2. Tropica label their plants 'easy' 'medium,' 'hard' I think. Find their website as they have lots of care info. Aquarium Gardens and ProShrimp have helpful info too. I have bought plants from both online and they've been excellent quality.

Hope that helps a little bit Smile

PS Salties aren't that bad Wink
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Hello and welcome Smile
I was going to comment on your other thread but CG and the others have already mentioned everything I would’ve thought of Big Grin
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And Hell is afraid I’ll take over! 😈
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Soft acidic water is suitable for a wide range of fish, ideal for most South American species and some African and Asian ones too.

You do have to be a little more careful with filtration and stocking levels, as many of the bacteria that process ammonia and nitrite also require carbonates. It’s easier to crash a filter in soft water. A handful of coral gravel in the filter can help maintain carbonate levels.

There are strains of bacteria that work well in soft water though. Certainly my tanks all have very soft and acidic water and they are stable, but they’re lightly stocked.
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You have loads of choice with soft water, unfortunately shrimp & guppies aren't suitable though.

For me no soft water tank is complete without corys, especially if substrate is sand. Best to find a species you like and get a group. 

With neons you could up the numbers or look at something different. Depends what visual effect you're looking for. Are you looking for a centrepiece fish?

Something to occupy the upper level would be worth considering, certain species of gourami or maybe hatchets, they are known to jump though.
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17 Neon Tetras
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Sturgcl1 Wrote:Hi All,

You may have seen my previous post.  If not, i have a 220l Tropical tank with rather a lot of large fish which I am going to rehome asap.  This will leave me with 1 stebai cory, one green catfish cory, (possibly 1 yellow BNP - although shes very sick atm!) & 3 neon tetra.  I am also working on rehoming my sons silver shark as told hes too big for tank also, but may be a while before i can convince son he needs to go as hes very loved & hes already gutted to loose everyone else - might be a bit much (son is autistic so not a simple do as you are told!)  Hes had these fish since he was 1 so they are very important.

So my question is, if you were starting again, what fish & plants would you put in a 220l tank with these tankmates?  The tank has a Eheim external filter with 1250lph flow rate, low watt lED lights (i could upgrade but not until after xmas!), Black sand.

I would like live plants but not sure about CO2 devices so would rather keep it simple.  |Currently have algae issues that I never had with planted tank.

Hi again Claire

I'm playing catch up on your posts and my replies sorry.

The BNP, neon tetra and cory all prefer the tank water temperature below 24C, 23C being a compromise.
I would increase the cory to at least six of the same species as they need to be in a group.
I would also increase the neon tetra as they always look good in a larger group and very colourful which may be good for your son. (maybe 12 x neon tetra).
Then a centre-piece fish, something that grows to around 3-4 inches which will be pleasing to your son, maybe a small group of 3 or 4.
I'll have a think and post some pictures for you and your son.
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For centrepiece fish with your soft water you could have any of the dwarf cichlids from S. America. I'd suggest keyholes or Bolivians as they're the least aggressive, more easily obtained, species.
You could look at Pearl/Lace gourami instead, but they prefer it slightly warmer (26C) than the corys and neons (although sterbai can take up to 28C, neons can't go above 24C, I suggest 22C).
If at first you don't succeed....
...get someone else to do it! Big Grin

Enjoy your fish, shrimps and snails!
Ian

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Mobiles are way too complicated for me, although I do have one now. Wink
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That’s great, thank you so much everyone. I do like the Cory & neons so think that’s a great plan. Also would love a pair of cichlids. I’ve had Kribs before but will look at the species suggested for water.

Water stats are as follows:

Total hardness 16mg/l ca
Soft
40 parts per million
3 Clarke degrees
4 french degrees
2 German degrees

No clue what all that means

I also have a full water quality report but can’t attach for my mobile. Anything specific needed?
Interestingly report says Ph is 8! That’s not what I get from my tap! It’s always been much more acidic? I’ve put seneye into tap water before & always acidic!


Thanks everyone x
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Both Stephen and I like Biotodoma cupido (Cupid cichlid) as a peaceful medium-sized South American cichlid. They like soft water and get on well with tetras and cories. They're like a bigger version of a Ram and grow to about 5" long. While they're bigger than kribs thay are much more laid-back; they don't terrorise anything, even when breeding. Also they don't eat small fish; I even had a random tetra fry survive and grow up in a tank with them.
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(13-10-2019, 10:11 AM)Sturgcl1 Wrote: Interestingly report says Ph is 8!  That’s not what I get from my tap! It’s always been much more acidic?  I’ve put seneye into tap water before & always acidic!

Personally I would not rely on the Seneye but actually do your own tests with a liquiid test kit.
Most members use the API Freshwater Master test kit, it's about £25 on-line but will last something like 3 years.
It will test for pH, high pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.
This would be far better than test strips or the Seneye.
I used to use an electronic thermometer but it was at least 2 degrees out so I reverted back to an actual thermometer.


(12-10-2019, 09:57 PM)Stephen Wrote: The BNP, neon tetra and cory all prefer the tank water temperature below 24C, 23C being a compromise.
I would increase the cory to at least six of the same species as they need to be in a group.
I would also increase the neon tetra as they always look good in a larger group and very colourful which may be good for your son. (maybe 12 x neon tetra).
Then a centre-piece fish, something that grows to around 3-4 inches which will be pleasing to your son, maybe a small group of 3 or 4.
I'll have a think and post some pictures for you and your son.

I would increase the cory to six (6) of the same species.
Increase the neon tetra to twelve (12)
The BN should be fine.
Then either the Bolivian rams, Keyhole cichlids or the Cupid cichlids as suggested by plankton & Mol_PMB (those fish were my thoughts also).

Some pics.
Bolivian rams (Mikrogeophagus altispinosus)
[Image: hD2IgPQl.jpg]

Cupid cichlid (Biotodoma cupido)
[Image: 1scm6r7l.jpg]

Keyhole cichlid
(Cleithracara maronii)
[Image: 4OqSp6zl.jpg]

Hope it helps

Stephen
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(13-10-2019, 11:12 AM)Stephen Wrote:
(13-10-2019, 10:11 AM)Sturgcl1 Wrote: Interestingly report says Ph is 8!  That’s not what I get from my tap! It’s always been much more acidic?  I’ve put seneye into tap water before & always acidic!

Personally I would not rely on the Seneye but actually do your own tests with a liquiid test kit.
Most members use the API Freshwater Master test kit, it's about £25 on-line but will last something like 3 years.
It will test for pH, high pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.
This would be far better than test strips or the Seneye.
I used to use an electronic thermometer but it was at least 2 degrees out so I reverted back to an actual thermometer.


(12-10-2019, 09:57 PM)Stephen Wrote: The BNP, neon tetra and cory all prefer the tank water temperature below 24C, 23C being a compromise.
I would increase the cory to at least six of the same species as they need to be in a group.
I would also increase the neon tetra as they always look good in a larger group and very colourful which may be good for your son. (maybe 12 x neon tetra).
Then a centre-piece fish, something that grows to around 3-4 inches which will be pleasing to your son, maybe a small group of 3 or 4.
I'll have a think and post some pictures for you and your son.

I would increase the cory to six (6) of the same species.
Increase the neon tetra to twelve (12)
The BN should be fine.
Then either the Bolivian rams, Keyhole cichlids or the Cupid cichlids as suggested by plankton & Mol_PMB (those fish were my thoughts also).

Some pics.
Bolivian rams (Mikrogeophagus altispinosus)
[Image: hD2IgPQl.jpg]

Cupid cichlid (Biotodoma cupido)
[Image: 1scm6r7l.jpg]

Keyhole cichlid
(Cleithracara maronii)
[Image: 4OqSp6zl.jpg]

Hope it helps

Stephen
Had never heard of keyhole cichilids until now I like them!
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